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Kim Field's avatar

Interesting. Biden might have won. He stepped aside in 2016--a shocking decision for a two-term VP with a lifelong thirst for the Presidency. His son Beau's fatal illness seems to have been the reason. We tend to forget how solid Hillary Clinton's candidacy looked in 2015 and the strong momentum behind the possibility of the first female president. The fact remains, however, that Donald Trump--in 2016 and today--was an opponent that, in a normal cycle, Democrats could only have dreamed of, and the fact that the Dems couldn't beat him--not just once, but twice--is the political story of 21st-century American politics. ANYONE should have been able to trounce that guy. Back then I certainly had no real idea that the Tea Party movement represented a fire alarm, the first instantiation of a huge, racist backlash to Obama's two terms that would overtake Democrats in 2016 and that is running the show nine years later. That is the dynamic that washed away every single piece of conventional political wisdom in 2016 and that may be ensuring that the U.S. will be fascist for at least a generation. Personally, pondering all the many possible 2016 outcomes that wouldn't have resulted in a Trump victory is just too fucking painful.

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Bob Knetzger's avatar

Thought experiment: what if Biden had been the Democratic candidate in 2016?

I think Obama was being facetious in 2008 when he told Hilary to her face that she was “likable enough” (or he meant just to democratic voters).

Even Trump did not expect to really win in ‘16 and he sure didn’t make plans to actually serve as President. Just wanted to get attention, claim “fixed election” and then burnish his then-tarnished TRUMP brand for more scammy licensing deals. He was so blindly lucky to run against H Clinton (who didn’t really even campaign in Wisconsin).

A youthful and vigorous Biden would have beat Trump in ‘16, like he did in ‘20. And Trump would have then likely just grousingly slunk away to try more biz scams.

But now here we are.

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